Not saying this was the factor with OP, but it sounds like a big reason for his father. I don't think it matters where you do your rotations as long as it's USA. 70+ Affiliated Hospitals & Clinical Centers | SGU Partnerships School of Medicine Clinical Training Student Manual Download as PDF Introduction Mission: The Doctor of Medicine Program Dean's Welcome to the Clinical Years Section One: Clinical Program Administration and Staff Clinical Program Administration and Staff Deans and Administrative Faculty and Staff Clinical Department Chairs OP was here not long ago asking if they should do this, sorry but showing up now saying they did exactly what everyone said not to do will elicit the above responses. The Clinical Curriculum | St. George's University The details of the pre-clerkship requirements are found in this Manual under I.c. Some of them couldn't get into a USMD school so they go to a different place to fullfill their dream. The third year of medical school involves 42 weeks of rotations: 12 weeks of Internal Medicine, 12 weeks of Surgery, 6 weeks of OB/GYN, 6 weeks of Pediatrics, and 6 weeks of Psychiatry. 27 0 obj I don't disagree with your main statement. It's hard to have any respect or advice for someone that is gambling hundreds of thousands and dollars, along with their entire future, for something as vain as 'MD' on their CV. PDF SCHOOL OF MEDICINE - St. George's University Caribbean grads should be forced to use the initials CMD simply for the prestige hunting (or shall I say poaching) to finally end. I have recently transferred to St George's University after completing my second year at a stateside osteopathic medical program and had a question about completing my rotations. % Let him live. A student who makes full use of all of the clinical opportunities at SGU will graduate having experienced medicine as it is practiced and taught in the United States, Canada, Grenada and the United Kingdom. Hope you killed Step 1 so you can snag a community IM program. She said that SGU had a big plus over ross bc most of its students do their clinicals in the same area and dont have to move around too much where her daughter at ross had to move around every 2 or . Yeah I "killed" both the COMLEX and the USMLE in June otherwise I wouldn't have made the switch. This was enough to bring these (clearly full of self esteem) student doctors flying out from under their palm trees; god forbid anyone disrespect their tropical degree. Clearly my post hit a little close to home for you. SDN always vouches for MD>DO>>>Caribbean, but it's really not always that simple. These clinicals often include outpatient experiences, such as short visits in which you'll take a patient's history and perform physical exams. Students starting clinical training must study and pass the first web-based modules 1-12 in the Communication Skills course A to be eligible for clinical placement. Clinical Rotations at SGU - YouTube Never did I say that every doctor that graduates from these Carrib schools is incompetent, and USMD's are just as capable of incompetence. I was wondering if program directors take any notice as to whether all of the rotations were completed at the same site and if this influences their decisions in selecting residents. One should enter this programs carefully weighing the risks versus benefit. (Students who do not complete family medicine in the third year must do so in their fourth year). SGU clinical rotations | Page 2 | Student Doctor Network It may not display this or other websites correctly. However, this person went from a school that would give him a better matching potential to a school with a worse matching potential by choice. Sometimes the best advice is the advice you don't want to hear. Don't kid yourself. US Clinical Centers California Arrowhead Regional Medical Center Address: Medical Office Bldg, 2nd Floor, Suite 206 (Ob/Gyn Department) 400 North Pepper Ave Colton, CA 92346 Phone: 909-580-6240 Fax: 909-580-3332 Website: https://www.arrowheadmedcenter.org Director of Medical Education: Agreed. These shifts will cover days, overnights, and weekends. << /Contents 32 0 R /MediaBox [ 0 0 612 792 ] /Parent 52 0 R /Resources << /ExtGState << /G3 43 0 R >> /Font << /F4 44 0 R /F6 45 0 R /F7 46 0 R /F8 47 0 R >> /ProcSet [ /PDF /Text /ImageB /ImageC /ImageI ] /XObject << /X5 31 0 R >> >> /StructParents 0 /Type /Page >> and I say this as someone who knows that it doesn't matter what school you go to, they are all clearly capable of accepting and cranking out those of questionable merit. For me, being happy beats everything. Completing these courses is a requirement for graduation. Talk about a fun rotation. IMGyn said: TBH I can't think of anyone who wanted to end up in NYC who wasn't able to, as that seems to be where the majority of SGU students do clinical rotations anyways. the bolded statement throws out your entire argument. endobj Jun 30, 2005. Members don't see this ad. SGU clinical rotations | Student Doctor Network 28 0 obj For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Like I said, I have asked some of my cohorts but got conflicting responses. I think we need to remember that while we may not like certain model of schooling or its graduates, we shouldn't indiscriminately attack its graduates. The fault for the Caribbean schools existence is a two-way street. However, I am just trying to state that newer DO schools and SGU maybe receuiting from the same population, because DO expansion sure isn't taking USMD students away. I will "bash" carribbean schools and those who graduate from there until something is done to stop what they are doing. There is little to be gained in this thread's continued existence. He was miserable at the DO school, got heat from his parents, and didn't appreciate the philosophy - so he transferred. This course provides information on what students rotating in facilities should be doing to identify, prepare, respond and care for respiratory virus such as the novel coronavirus. SGU Student Family Network - Clinical Years - Google Students will learn how to identify a case once it occurs, and how to properly implement infection, prevention, and control measures to ensure there is no further transmission to self, healthcare workers and patients in the healthcare facility. They weren't a Carib student until very recently, as they voluntarily chose to transfer from a US school to the islands. << /Linearized 1 /L 128012 /H [ 887 209 ] /O 30 /E 56616 /N 10 /T 127587 >> Part II: PHYSICAL EXAM Students must have a physical examination completed within six months prior to the start of their first clinical rotation. I'd love to see you bash an attending who graduated from a Caribbean school to their face. School of Medicine Clinical Training Student Manual; Clinical Elective Assessment of Student Performance Clinical Elective Assessment of Student Performance. JavaScript is disabled. If I were to have an inferiority complex it certainly wouldn't be triggered by a DO student who just took Step 1. Version 1.71.2; Clinical Evaluation; Sign In. Comparing DO schools with Caribbean MD is entirely unfair. Think of it this way, if a person went MD to DO for a trivial reason such as "I hate the MD philosophy" wouldn't you also be questioning his choice? SGU rarely takes transfers and only into 2nd year. This training program is thoughtfully designed to ensure you make the most of your final two years in medical school. The core rotations define the third year of medical school and include 12 weeks of internal medicine, 12 weeks of surgery and six weeks each of pediatrics, obstetrics/gynecology, psychiatry and, frequently, family medicine/general practice. endobj Everyone. Having DO after your name holds much more prestige than MD from Island University to anyone with half a brain. Actually not everyone. Oh my the Caribbean bashing in this thread A DO student shouldn't really be bashing SGU anyway. SGU Affiliated Hospitals & Clinical Centers in the U.S. If this were a person who either exhausted all his US MD and DO options or just didn't realize about going DO, I am understanding of this. User account menu . I would, and I have, questioned people who made that choice. xc```b``.g`a`1``0$$pfw\f]U>XDo?Y| F le\ A0v_w 3 %PDF-1.5 The 3 Month (100 Day) MCAT Study Schedule Guide: 2022 Edition, All resources are student and donor supported. Courses and Syllabi PTRS 920 PTRS 921 PTRS 922 PTRS 923 u mad bro? Answering 8 Common Questions About SGU Clinical Rotations TL;DR , lol @ being too scared to type your novel with your real account tho. You are using an out of date browser. You are still deciding on where to do rotations so in reality you have no clue what your "learning experiences" are like. also looking on SGUs website it doesn't even look like they take transfers into 3rd year. Not mad at all, just curious why someone with cripplingly little perspective needs to bash other people's education when you haven't accomplished anything of note to date. First, it's very different from the basic science years. The CSC will ensure that students are scheduled to meet graduation requirements and continuously provide excellent customer service while working to overcome student issues to promote student success. << /Pages 54 0 R /Type /Catalog >> SGU allows students the choice of staying at one hospital (in some cases) for all clincal rotations, or moving around between different hospitals (sometimes in different states) for rotations. SGU clinical Rotations | Student Doctor Network I have only spent a few weeks under a Caribbean program, but so far, my learning experience is better than anything I could have ever hoped for in my prior osteopathic program. Give me a break. Each clinical department has designated modules to be an integral and required part of their rotation. I'm not really too concerned about matching either as it is essentially impossible not to match (based on prior year statistics) into my desired field with my step score from this school. Or even better would be to ask your program if anyone has actually done this before (successfully) and maybe contact them directly and emmulate what they did. I personally know students who have matriculated and graduated at several of the upper tier Caribbean schools, one of which is an SMP flunk out who if I remember correctly, couldn't put together the concept of how nutrition relates to glucose, ATP, and oxphos, at the END of a biochem course. OP, you might have better luck asking your school about the rotations, etc. #1. This is from the perspective of someone who recently finished 3rd year. every colleague you ever mention that to will think less of you for it. The second Communication Skills course B begins at the first rotation. Of course, your class is probably bigger than mine but I can't imagine they'd run out of spots there. << /Type /XRef /Length 75 /Filter /FlateDecode /DecodeParms << /Columns 4 /Predictor 12 >> /W [ 1 2 1 ] /Index [ 26 43 ] /Info 42 0 R /Root 28 0 R /Size 69 /Prev 127588 /ID [<2fd4b8e7fba0fd58ea6e06dedc359668><2fd4b8e7fba0fd58ea6e06dedc359668>] >> Pre-Clerkship Web-Based Placement Requirements for US and UK I would actually argue that carrib students are more often composed of people who could not get into either MD or DO (which doesn't just let anyone in who has a pulse, as some people seem to think), or simply feel 'above' being a DO and just want the MD credentials, but your comment leads to the suggestion that DO ~~ carrib. ) C?)QD>iuV#hTN9a!{P$jJ!! It's getting to do what you've always wanted to do; be a doctor!Wish you guys the best of luck! #5. Each of the clerkship requirements are included in the curriculum of each clerkship in IV. From his post history 1) he didn't like the philosophy, 2) didn't like the area he lived in, 3) dad was upset from his choice, and most importantly 4) he can finally be an MD. Wow, people are really going out of their way lately to bash Caribbean medical students. Hey guys! Although I've only completed two rotations, I've alre. This would be a good time to remember that a civil discussion does not include vulgar language or epithets. Well good luck with your dumb as **** decision either way lmao. Although I've only completed two rotations, I've already noticed a few things that stand out. Was excited at first, then I realized SGU didn't stand for Stargate Universe. Attendance is mandatory. SGU Affiliated Hospitals & Clinical Centers in the U.S. You transferring to a Carib school voluntarily will raise significant questions about your decision making. Glad to see you feel otherwise though. PDF EMERGENCY MEDICINE ELECTIVE Kings County Hospital Personally, I would prefer to stay where I am (happens to be my home state), but there seems to be certain hospitals that are better for some rotations than others. #5. People who couldn't get into USMD schools overwhelmingly make up the student bodies of DO and Caribbean schools. I have spent 2 years learning at a DO school that was an absolute joke. You have no idea my accomplishments or my perspective, what I do know is you clearly have no perspective on much of anything at all. You are using an out of date browser. B@ U::Da39bTJPd7~bT]Ej7kLzZB0mC9DE>}WrXXi#UdA}}Vy;@` 7)y'*iA tpc}h K 3257GGQ>YM#4)MT)'_4LX-5/4]9d %nRHz'#@uPR3\vLYrO^CCFJtI89m}62lR"RSxI~LWO{nPdSkyE*)8Vpyo9 [^;)Ug)c=N2 KUe5vXa_=8%9lXzo}{T". The Clinical Student Coordinator (CSC) is for tracking each individual clinical student once they are placed for all of their core rotations. It's so unfortunate to hear a medical student talk like this about his peers. This module consists of 42 modules and is split between two Sakai-based Communication Skills modules. One of my mother's friend had two daughters go to the carribean, one to Ross and the other to Sgu. I'm not really too concerned about matching either as it is essentially impossible not to match (based on prior year statistics) into my desired field with my step score from this school. Tbh he brings up a pretty good point of decision making. Clinical Training Sites | St. George's University 0A A@A A AEKgI%C,?/,AW7~--=TT9l}vtI_Jm.+QXmfg&S}w>X/8>Y_X+.t$6Z)J@Zu @2rb~BZiSyxG}Z\e]aY dUZVQ9LEvBVnyElc=$T?Z/>pYwRcV%aD*CzC\#$AIQvD7u}'n8\@B- J]25[fu[TT( Dolland Noel, MD Associate Dean, Clinical Studies - Caribbean Dnoel@sgu.edu Christopher Magnifico, MD Associate Dean, Clinical Studies - US Cmagnifi@sgu.edu Orazio Giliberti, MD Associate Dean, Clinical Studies - US Ogiliberti@sgu.edu Armand Asarian MD Assistant Dean, Clinical Studies - US aasarian@sgu.edu Another friend of mine (who is an example of the kind of student the Carib should technically be for, one who is capable but had circumstances that hindered competitiveness) complains about how course directors use FA as the recommended textbook. Reaction score. To go back to the original question, there are pros and cons to doing your rotations at one site vs. being spread across different hospitals. This module consists of 42 modules and is split between two Sakai-based Communication Skills modules. Forgot password? This critical part of your training includes learning through the provision of service to diverse and underserved populations and learning the importance of ethical, compassionate care. 29 0 obj *#YI?eMn=4[XC*8P) v@0pkPke$7*+Q"@cT$lSZtq6K This is a pre-placement course designed to increase awareness of the ways culture may affect your interaction with patients. In most cases, clinical rotations are broken down into four-, six-, or twelve-week blocks, enabling students to experience a variety of different specialty areas from one rotation cycle to the next. I will "bash" carribbean schools and those who graduate from there until something is done to stop what they are doing. It's one thing to try to explain the risks of going to the Caribbean to someone considering it, but it's straight up rude to criticize someone when they are already on that path, working to eventually become a doctor. This course includes an overview of how infections spread, ways to prevent the spread of infections, and other recommendations to ensure student safety. In 1999, St. George's medical school inaugurated a system of clinical centers to add to its already impressive list of affiliated hospitals. I feel bad for the Caribbean students who genuinely believe that the Caribbean has given them a, A serious brush with the law occurred in New York City in, So based on your logic, the fact that this man when crazy and shot up a hospital had more to do with where he did his training as opposed to whatever mental conditions he was suffering from? Hey guys! Glad to see you feel otherwise though, Yeah I "killed" both the COMLEX and the USMLE (90+ percentile for both) in June otherwise I wouldn't have made the switch. << /Filter /FlateDecode /S 120 /Length 129 >> SGU health requirements have three parts: Part I: HEALTH HISTORY Students are required to complete and sign a current personal history form within six months prior to the start of clinical rotations. One really shouldn't throw stones who himself lives in a glass house,but anyway, if that comes up I'll be happy to explain why I left since I had good reasons to do so. Some of those individuals with a pulse have the motivation and ability, most probably don't. 234. The lecture material is not as complex but the hours are significantly longer and the responsibility is much higher. Usually scheduled on the first Monday of your rotation. stream Yeah I figured. Infection control prevents or stops the spread of infections in healthcare settings. 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